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Genesis
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"The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-03-07 13:48:23
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EXACTLY.

Where do you bank?
Oh, at The Mattress.
My deposits are insured by large canines, trained & equipped family members, and multiple alarm systems.

One company or more at a time and one bank or more at a time
until this is fixed or companies and banks are gone.

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2009-03-07 14:02:00
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I think the scariest part is that 99.99% of people out there who never heard of galbraith could not guess that they are holding on to value (albeit already low) that isn't there anymore because it's already owned by somebody else. Because this sounds like alien abduction to most you tell the story too, they will be laughing right up to the second the anal probe went in.

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It sounds antiquated, merchantilistic - until you figured out that I was hoarding for war.
2009-03-07 14:11:18
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80 percent of our Canadian trade goes to the U.S. Does that mean we are gonna get REAMED also? and one more Question isn't the U.S Gov. the number one gold holder in the world? So the gold in fort knoxs can safe guard the U.S.

2009-03-07 15:12:22
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Updated.

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"The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-03-07 15:39:48
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"Pleading will not get it done; all that does is confirm that you either lack the balls to do the right thing or are personally complicit in the corruption and embezzlement."





G-Man, you summed it up. I go with complicit.


2009-03-07 15:43:16
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My favorite ticker so far, thanks for this and everything else, Gen.

Floyd Norris (IIRC on his blog) noted recently that Geithner should take some time to sit down at his desk and figure out how to deal with the CDS (as opposed to testifying all over the place). Part of the problem is that Treasury is having a hard time filling posts. That's not surprising to me, as bankers are having a hard time trusting each other (go figure) and compliance types are typically more paper pushers than mathematically adept.

Perhaps Treasury could hire a few thousand summer interns from Rutgers,Courant (NYU)and any math majors at the NY State schools to do a million hours or so of grunt analytics of pairing trades by hand, supervised by the NY Fed. If they could arrange room and board at some local motels in the boroughs, I bet they'd have a lot of volunteers.


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2009-03-07 16:00:22
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Complicit!

I am so tired of this nonsense!

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2009-03-07 16:05:07
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Karl wrote..
If you think that the market is collapsing because people are worried about "socialism", you're wrong. Yes, that's a concern, and yes, people are worried that you're going "hard left" - but there are winners in such a marketplace.


Great line and point. If this were the case, there would be evidence of the "Obama trade." There is no Obama trade, this is systemic destruction.

As you've said many times before, the Market is taking on the role of cleanser and truth-finder.

It is an awesome (in the classical sense of the word) sight to behold.

If they don't do something, and soon, it will not stop and it will NOT be denied.

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2009-03-07 16:05:09
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I never thought Obama was anything but complicit. Look at his voting record in senate, and compare that with his Liberal com-communists (I won't even slur the last three syllables of the word "compatriots"). Look at the vote in all the CONgress actions that have furthered this kleptocracy. Are republicans at fault too? Of course, they're all on the take. But the voting records are clear. Bush practically fostered a GOP mutiny with the bailout crap.

Anyone who expected anything other than total complicity from O was dreaming.

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2009-03-07 16:08:50
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When I talk about this stuff, people still look at me like I'm from Mars. My accountant laughed in my face yesterday.

Lessee, 17 banks have failed this year; 401k's are now 160k's; FDIC needs a cash infusion of a 1/2 trillion dollars; govt. spending has gone insane... ya, nothing to see here. I'm reminded of the cop at the parade riot in Animal House: 'All is well!'

2009-03-07 16:08:56
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Looks like this ticker was geared to Joe Six Pack. If that is the case you may want to further explain tax the innocent to fund the guilty. I'm not sure the average Joe will understand this.

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"I refuse to leave our children with a debt they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."
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2009-03-07 16:12:10
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Fugitive - if people want to understand they will. Unfortunately, most people are of the "ignorance is bliss variety" - I'm sorry to say...

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2009-03-07 16:23:26
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: never understimate the human beings capacity of self-delusion.

They don't WANT to hear it, they WANT the unicorn.


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2009-03-07 16:48:56
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I can't tell you the number of times I have had the conversation with highly intelligent, well educated, 6 figure income individuals where they say that they no longer look at their 401K statements.

The evil genius behind 401K money is like taxes, take it out before they get it and it doesn't feel like it's yours anyway.

That's why the income tax works so well. take home pay is your real income, all those other alphabet numbers aren't real.


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2009-03-07 17:04:16
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Only reason I still put in is that the employer matches up to 6% - I take and try to keep it safe. Until I may have to pull it out...

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"F**k CNBS, CONgress, Obama, the Democrats, the Republicans, the ratings agencies, the Banksters, the Fed, the FASB, all the government regulatory agencies, the Trilateral Commission, the Council of Foreign Relations, the G whatever, the UN, and any other bastard or big corporate interest that has a fingerprint on this
2009-03-07 17:24:16
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Excellent ticker Karl.

You're right, we can talk all day about whether Obama is getting it or not. The questions is if he is complicit or not. All arrows point in the wrong directions sadly. Appointing Geithner and Summers is the pinnacle imo.

2009-03-07 17:33:08
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Stone - you work for the federal government? 6% sounds familiar.

TSP?

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2009-03-07 17:35:33
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Loudon - nope not .gov, non-profit...


I am FORMER .gov. But definitely not right now. One of the reasons I can openly criticize...

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Their will be no plans/fixes from the Government unless an actual responsible, hard working adult gets put in charge.

This story sums it up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew....

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He said that on several occasions the president has had to hurry back from eating dinner with his family in the residence and then tucking his daughters in to bed, to conduct urgent government business. Matters are not helped by the pledge to give up smoking.

"People say he looks tired more often than they're used to," the strategist said. "He's still calm, but there have been flashes of irritation when he thinks he's being pushed to make a decision sooner than he wants to make it. He looks like he needs a cigarette."


I can't think of a time in history of the USA where we were in such dire straights and so leaderless.

2009-03-07 18:23:05
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To me, the scariest thing right now is that he doesn't seem to be doing ANYTHING. Not even tricks to try and pump the market.


2009-03-07 18:25:17
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Sources close to the White House say Mr Obama and his staff have been "overwhelmed" by the economic meltdown and have voiced concerns that the new president is not getting enough rest.


omfg.

even if it's TRUE you sure as hell don't show it or leak it.

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British officials, meanwhile, admit that the White House and US State Department staff were utterly bemused by complaints that the Prime Minister should have been granted full-blown press conference and a formal dinner, as has been customary. They concede that Obama aides seemed unfamiliar with the expectations that surround a major visit by a British prime minister.


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A well-connected Washington figure, who is close to members of Mr Obama's inner circle, expressed concern that Mr Obama had failed so far to "even fake an interest in foreign policy".


There were plenty of reservations about his ability to do the job of an executive... ugh.




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2009-03-07 18:48:12
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You know what's scary about 'the bezzle'.. its how damn effective the market can be at forcing it out. It's ruthless and we see that in the financial stocks, GM, GE, the tech bubble. What happens when the market finally gets the courage to go after the biggest crook of them all, the government?

Spending more than its taking in, lots of short term debt that it must roll over, and very questionable assets with huge future liabilities.

I guess that's what everyone here is afraid of, the bond market, but despite being here for 5 months and reading for hours a day, sometimes these realizations just hit when you're showering.

Scary ****.

2009-03-07 18:53:10
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Uhmm...

In the last 48 hours, we've had 'FDIC is broke' and 'Don't stash cash in your mattress', both statements coming from high .gov mouthpieces.

This has got to give even the J6P's out there a warm and fuzzy feeling...

...NOT


I think this is more like what comes to mind when they hear it:




They seem to WORKING AT causing a bank run, no?



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Interesting editorial from Peggy Noonan.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declaratio....

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His grace and generosity were staggering, but there was growing local anger at the military. Why was the disabled plane over land? The Marines launched an investigation—of themselves. This Wednesday the results were announced.

They could not have been tougher, or more damning. The crash, said Maj. Gen. Randolph Alles, the assistant wing commander for the Third Marine Aircraft Wing, was "clearly avoidable," the result of "a chain of wrong decisions." Mechanics had known since July of a glitch in the jet's fuel-transfer system; the Hornet should have been removed from service and fixed, and was not. The young pilot failed to read the safety checklist. He relied on guidance from Marines at Miramar who did not have complete knowledge or understanding of his situation. He should have been ordered to land at North Island. He took an unusual approach to Miramar, taking a long left loop instead of a shorter turn to the right, which ate up time and fuel.

Twelve Marines were disciplined; four senior officers, including the squadron commander, were removed from duty. Their military careers are, essentially, over. The pilot is grounded while a board reviews his future.

Residents told the San Diego Union-Tribune that they were taken aback by the report. Bob Johnson, who lived behind the Yoons and barely escaped the crash, said, "The Marines aren't trying to hide from it or duck it. They took it on the chin." A retired Navy pilot who lives less than a block from the crash and had formed, with neighbors, a group to push the Marines for an investigation, and for limiting flights over University City, said after the briefing, "I think we're out of business." In a later story the paper quoted a retired general, Bob Butcher, chairman of a society of former Marine aviators, calling the report "as open and frank a discussion of an accident as I've seen." "It was a lot more candid than many people expected."

This wasn't damage control, it was taking honest responsibility. And as such, in any modern American institution, it was stunning.

The day after the report I heard from a young Naval aviator in predeployment training north of San Diego. He flies a Super Hornet, sister ship to the plane that went down. He said the Marine investigation "kept me up last night" because of how it contrasted with "the buck-passing we see" in the government and on Wall Street. He and his squadron were in range of San Diego television stations when they carried the report's conclusions live. He'd never seen "our entire wardroom crowded around a television" before. They watched "with bated breath." At the end they were impressed with the public nature of the criticism, and its candor: "There are still elements within the government that take personal responsibility seriously." He found himself wondering if the Marines had been "too hard on themselves." "But they are, after all, Marines."

By contrast, he says, when the economy came crashing down, "nowhere did we see a board come out and say: 'This is what happened, these are the decisions these particular people made, and this was the result. They are no longer a part of our organization.' There was no timeline of events or laymen's explanation of how a credit derivative was actually derived. We did not see congressmen get on television with charts and eviscerate their organization and say, 'These were the men who in 2003 allowed Freddie and Fannie unlimited rein over mortgage securities.' Instead we saw . . . everybody against everybody else with no one stepping forth and saying, 'We screwed up.'" There is no one in national leadership who could convincingly "assign blame," and no one "who could or would accept it."


Read the whole thing.

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